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Troubled by a prayer I heard….

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  • June 26, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    I know I might get heat for this. I know some people might not agree with me, but I will try to be as peaceful and clear as I can. I heard a prayer today on the June 26th DAB that just really got to me… I thought, hey, why don’t I write about it? Sometimes it’s good to talk about this. Maybe the guy who sent it will see this too! I come on peace, not to stir up trouble. I have always been cautious when I hear things that people say the Lord has put on their heart. The prayer today was about how people who are married should forgive the lusts of the flesh and so on of their spouses… I understand that and I get that. I believe I have the ability to discern spirits. I have had times when I would talk to my mom on the phone and I could sense a heaviness in spirit about her and I told her what I felt. Something bad happened to her. Something violent… So I prayed for the blood of Jesus over her and what happened and the heaviness went away. I felt a darkness behind this prayer this man said… Like an anger… Something very uncomfortable… Is it the wrath of God? The prayer just scared me! This guy scared me… He said in his prayer, as if he was speaking from God’s point of view “to not test my anger”… by being hard on your spouse in unforgiveness… is it really God? Why did I sense the heavy spirit… I feel uncomfortable about prayers that aren’t gentle…. they sound like they’re not from God… But hey, if it’s Gods judgement through him, my point of view has no value, because it’s nullified by Him no matter what… I know I can be wrong. I know that God speaks through people… but is this from Him? I grew up with parents who argued a lot…. I know what it’s like to live in a toxic household with anger… Is the threat of testing God’s anger true in his prayer? Is that the LORD and how he is talking to us today? Is that Him speaking through him? Truly? If it is, is God speaking to men who physically beat their wives? To wives and husbands who have been cheated on and the pain is so utterly terrible that they hate coming home, and by not forgiving them you test God’s anger? How can you walk through the briers of unfaithfulness and be untouched by pain? I just felt this darkness in the background of that prayer… It makes me want to talk about it… I come in peace and I know what it’s like to have a significant other be unfaithful to you… It hurts more than anything… God’s peace comes yeah, but the knowledge of your spouse being unfaithful stays in you like a stinger just pumping in venom… I don’t know how to walk through that pain. I’ve cried so many nights and forgave, but sometimes it’s not easy to understand what forgiveness means… It’s weird to think God will faceplant me if I don’t forgive her… Like I hurt her first… Like you’ve done something wrong when someone else did wrong to you before you have time to process the pain. It’s like a game of chess where your sister just takes your queen from the start, and if you try to justify why she should give you your queen back your dad comes up and tells you he’ll put the board away if you don’t play without your queen… Because he’s played without queens and always wins with your sister anyways. But you just want to play by the rules. But is this how God is speaking to us today? Did Peter forgive Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5? Why did he not? Why did Jesus tell his disciples to forgive 70 times 7 and yet Peter did not? Did they test Gods anger? And God let his anger out through Peter? But wasn’t Peter instructed to forgive? Is there a time for humans to judge and not forgive? Did Anonias sin 491 times that day? 7 X 70 =490. Or in other translations Jesus tells to forgive 77 times. Did Anonias sin 78 times that day? Like what’s going on in scripture? Did Jesus give Peter the authority to be unforgiving and to judge? Am I wrong in my confusion? What’s going on in scripture? I know it’s good to be calm and silent. But is there not a time for everything? Is forgiveness the problem in marriages? Or is it a lack of education? I know it looks like I’m in a tangled mess of thoughts… but isn’t scripture unclear sometimes? Why be so hard on people who don’t know God’s scripture? Isn’t the problem that people don’t hear God’s word and even when they do hear it, they still lie and commit adultery and do so many sins, myself included. Forgiveness is NOT the only problem. It’s proper teaching. Parents who haven’t or could not teach scripture because our ancestors turned from the Lord way back to NOAH. We have problems today because our ancestors turned from God. We are dealing with their choices. It’s not just peoples fault today, because through one man sin entered us. And according to Paul, it is sin inside of us doing it. Not us. Romans 7:17. So again I encourage you guys, reading scripture and teaching it, and living it is what’s not happening. It’s not just being forgiving that’s important! But some of your spouses don’t read God’s word! Some don’t want to! And even if they did some won’t listen! Because our ancestors failed us! They turned from God and forgot about him! By God’s spirit things heal. Through God’s spirit in us we can forgive. Why the utter wrath all the time!? Isn’t God about grace too!? Why can’t he lift the hurt up when it’s too painful for them to know how to forgive? Are we always subject to wrath when we don’t know how to forgive? Does my voice have no value?

    June 26, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    Thank you for getting this down and for sharing your thoughts. There is never anything wrong with having questions and seeking answers. I don’t have time now to respond but I will soon share some thoughts. May God bless you in Jesus name.

    June 26, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    There seems to be so much heaviness in your heart which apparently has been brought out thanks to today call . I sense you have been hurt a lot and have so many unanswered questions .may God truly heal your wounded heart.
    I did not sense any fear or anger or darkness when the man spoke in today’s call .
    He was asking that couples forgive each other , bear with each other just in the same way Christ has forgiven us.
    The Spirit which is not from God would not ask us to walk in forgiveness like Christ did .

    Marriages have problems because we all are sinners that need Christ in this fallen world . Only Christ can heal marriages and when we start forgiving each other many marriages get healed and restored.
    You also mentioned the topic on forgiving 70 times 7 times . Jesus did not mean this in the literal sense . Jesus wants us to forgive as many times as possible .

    Anytime you find yourself questioning the word of God and whether or not it is clear then you have to ask your self ” can God make me question his word ?

    My earnest prayer is that the Lord Jesus would heal the pain you have because I sense you have a lot of pain .
    Please pardon me if I in any way misunderstood what you were trying to communicate.

    God loves you and know that your voice matters . We all have questions and God is ready to address them and he uses people , his word or even nature to communicate to us
    Stay blessed

    Thanks
    Sheila

    June 26, 2017 at 10:53 pm

    Hey =).
    When I spoke about my mother, I sensed a darkness that I believe was not because of her. I believe that there are demons in the world. Seeking to destroy. I sensed it very heavily on her. And to me, it seemed as though something dark had attached to her, but was not of her. What I meant when I said that I sensed something dark when I heard the prayer was not that it was of him, or of God, but that it may have been attached to him. I’m not saying that it influenced the prayer, but that it was simply there. I know and understand that it is important to be humble, gentle and respectful of other peoples beliefs because it is so hard to understand our world sometimes. I believe in the kingdom of God. And I know and understand that even we, when we are trying our best to follow God, can be attacked by Spirits. And I believe that not all of us have the gift of discernment. I’m not saying you do not, nor am I saying that I am right in my experience today. Which is why I tried my best to clarify that I may be wrong. I am willing to admit that. But I cannot shake the fact that I felt something dark attached to the prayer. That does not mean that it this man was wrong, or that I am right. It is just what I experienced. Something spiritual is going on in the background. I just wanted to speak my mind because it is important to be courageous too. It’s just such a touchy subject, and I want to insert love and gentleness. If it scared me, it may have scared other people. And maybe my voice is something that has value in this conversation. I don’t want to be afraid to talk about it. I feel so sensitive towards that prayer…. I can’t shake it off. It troubled me and I just wanted to see what other people have to say. I am so thankful you replied!

    June 27, 2017 at 2:59 am

    Let us plead the blood of Christ upon him and that no weapon fashioned against him may prosper .
    We also plead the blood of Jesus over ourselves and our loved ones .
    May the Lord shield us with his mighty angels.
    Thank you for airing your views as they help us know what to pray for .
    Stay blessed and strong in Christ
    Amen

    June 27, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Thank you Sister Shelia for your replies and I pray in agreement with the above prayer.

    Dear Aschenbrenner
    Thank you for sharing and getting this down. I will be praying for Gods love to surround you this week in Jesus name. Amen.

    June 27, 2017 at 4:30 pm

    I suppose just like everyone who loves Jesus and wants to make Him known I too may have frightened people while praying. You never know why someone prays the prayers they pray unless they tell you before hand, or you know their story. The disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, so thankfully, now, people like me (hard heads) can understand how to have a conversation with Him. We, His dear children can come to Him boldly and with confidence knowing that whatever we ask in His name, He will give us if it’s according to His will. That’s powerful and freeing, isn’t it?
    I’ve been through quite a journey in my relationship with God. He has taught me that I’m not Him, I don’t speak for Him, and that I have to be careful with the words I say and the actions I take because I can bruise people accidentally. I love that God speaks back to us through His Word. He says, “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.” In other words, we are free, we are no longer condemned, so I’ve learned that the message we bring to others should also impart that freedom. Brian would say, “Just sneeze Jesus!” I guess the biggest lessons I’ve learned ( and there have been many) drives home the truth continually that God loves, and like any good Father He instructs (through His Word,) and He disciplines but only to draw us closer to Him and to help us draw closer to each other understanding we (the Church) are all doing the best we can to live out what this “walk” is supposed to look like….the Word says simply, it’s supposed to look like Jesus.
    God loves to hear your voice and there is more value in that than I could ever explain.

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